From Rodovid EN

Revision as of 16:00, 7 February 2016 (edit) Tesson (Talk | contribs) (→Logan County, Virginia?) ← Previous diff		Revision as of 16:00, 7 February 2016 (edit) (undo) Tesson (Talk | contribs) (→Hov, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway?) Next diff →
Line 153:		Line 153:
	#Hov, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway		#Hov, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway
	#Strand, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway		#Strand, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway
		+	See: [[Person:491810]]
		+
	And some others… Could you provide some sources?		And some others… Could you provide some sources?
	Thank you. --[[:fr:Utilisateur:Tesson|Christophe Tesson]] - [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Tesson|<sup><small>talk.</small></sup>]] 18:00, 7 February 2016 (EET)		Thank you. --[[:fr:Utilisateur:Tesson|Christophe Tesson]] - [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Tesson|<sup><small>talk.</small></sup>]] 18:00, 7 February 2016 (EET)

---

Revision as of 16:00, 7 February 2016

On this Rodovid discussion page, of the English language location, you can send messages to EvansKnight Click here to start a new discussion.

Please put your signature under your message or type:~~~~.

WELCOME TO RODOVID! Thank you for participating in the project. We hope that you like it. Rodovid is a genealogical database of free content that uses MediaWiki, which would have established a number of principles defined by the community. Please take time to explore the following before starting to edit in Rodovid. General help is here. Most users will need it in the beginning. Rodovid rules. Please try to follow them! Genealogical records. How to create/modify records. Things which aren't welcomed here. Typical mistakes. Test area Try to create/modify records on Engine. Talk about general questions Ask general questions here.

This is your discussion page, in which you can receive messages from other users. To leave a message to another user must write on the other user's talk page—if not, he or she will not be notified. Remember genealogical sheets and articles are not signed

NOTES FOR BEGINNERS: Single or empty records are not allowed here. Please delete such a record by pressing the delete tab or mark it for deletion using the template: {{delete|reason}} Clan field - it's the surname in singular if it doesn't change by gender (English or Western European languages, for instance). If the name is in a language, such as Russian or Ukranian, where it depends on sex, put it in the plural (for ex., Petrov/Petrova - Petrovs) Place field must have each administrative unit separated by commas (for ex., London, England, UK) Upload photos via special pages. They could be used in different places If you record was changed check whether it was correction or vandalism. If vandalism - immediately tell us about it.

When entering a person. Do not put their nationality as the Clan name. There is a nationality field in the events tab. This is the proper place to note nationality. Please make changes on all of your entries to have the paternal surname as the clan name Almoustine 06:20, 3 February 2011 (EET)

Contents 1 Help 2 Hi 3 Location Format 4 Place names (again :-) 5 Cörle ? 6 Logan County, Virginia? 7 Hov, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway?

Help

Hi EvansKnight.

I decided to implement advanced search in Rodovid.EN, because nobody has done it before.

I know how to do it but it needs some translations. Could you check my english? It's very simple: first check these short messages:

• MediaWiki:Rd eventsviewertext
• MediaWiki:Rd evinfo
• MediaWiki:Eventsviewer
• MediaWiki:Sidebar (only the 3 last lines)

These ones are much more longer :

• Help:Advanced search
• Help:More about advanced search
• Template:Eventsviewer

Take care of WikiSyntax Thank you. --Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 09:24, 22 July 2015 (EEST)

Hi

Just a short message to thanks you for your work in RD, it seems you try to clean the data base too :-) BR --Charles 00:16, 7 August 2015 (EEST)

Location Format

If I can ask, why have you been changing the location format on the English tree? City (State) doesn't seem like it's descriptive enough, and also that format isn't standard in any kind of record keeping with which I am familiar. Is there a rationale behind this? City, County, State/Province, Country is/has been the standard for any genealogy records I've been using for the past 20 years, so I just wanted to know what the rationale behind this. EvansKnight 19:38, 10 September 2015 (EEST)

• Thanks for your question and your work in RD.

Rodovid.en has no rule for place names.

So there are a lot of ambiguous places written in records.

It's well known, in other Rodovid localizations that the simplest way to avoid places ambiguity is to use Wikipedia titles for each place name.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to use en.Wikipedia titles for "Place:" pages in Rodovid.EN, because of the comma between place name and disambiguation part. See for instance:

• Place:Hartford

Hartford in Connecticut is written

• "Hartford, Connecticut" in Wikipedia

But this disambiguation system cannot be used in Rodovid : trying to indicate a place name that way in a record ends with the software writing 2 different places:

1. Hartford, which is ambiguous
2. Connecticut

So, we propose a rule to write place names in Rodovid.EN:

1. Use Wikipedia titles
2. Use disambiguation rules commonly employed in other localizations of Wikipedia, in this case: Hartford (Connecticut)

If you prefer another format please propose something, but something which avoid

• ambiguation (Hartford)
• duplicates (Kiev USSR and Kiev Ukraine are the same place - idem for Byzance, Constantinople, Istanbul)

Anyway, we always will find somebody who don't agree!

See also:

• Rodovid EN:Community Portal#Categories
• Rodovid EN:Community Portal#Place name protocol
• Talk:Main Page#Place names in Rodovid.en : a new rule ?
• Talk:Main Page#Place names (this particular post iw now obsolete)

--Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 09:45, 11 September 2015 (EEST)

I didn't mean to imply that I was upset about the change, I just wasn't sure of the rationale behind it. I didn't realize you all were so concerned with cross-functionality with Wikipedia, but whatever works. I feel like there will be a loss of precision on most records, but moving forward I'll adhere to the accepted norms from now on. EvansKnight 00:30, 12 September 2015 (EEST)

The reason for this simplification is not directly the cross-functionality with Wikipedia but the basic use of Rodovid as a genealogy tool.

If you want to obtain a list of all persons who lived in a town or a district (to follow families or avoid duplicates), you have to go to the page dedicated to that location and use the "what links here" or "advanced search" functions.

That page must be unique for each location, so using the same title as the corresponding wikipedia page is very efficient (with parentheses replacing commas).

But in most linguistic versions of Rodovid, the creation of these pages has been neglected. In this version, there are more than 39000 of these red links (places, lineages, families, redirections) waiting to be created or corrected. (I don't know how many there are in Russian : my browser gets blocked).

Adding counties and historical territories increases even more the number of pages to create (and to categorize).

But I think that Tesson would not mind if you continue to use the full format for places (city to country), as long as you create and categorize the pages for each entity (to avoid these red links). And this is a lot of work. Dn Gov 03:00, 12 September 2015 (EEST)

I'm glad you're not upset! I'm not!

As Dane said, the purpose is not to agree with Wikipedia! I propose this system because disembiguation is a enormous work… wich is already done in Wikipedia!

So:

• this proposed method needs less work than any other
• any user can fill place-fields with any precision he needs: e.g.
  • "Plymouth (Massachusetts), Plymouth Colony"
  • "Plymouth (Massachusetts), Plymouth County (Massachusetts), Massachusetts, United States"
  • etc.

For varying names, you can write e.g.:

born 1204 "Istanbull" plus this comment "then called Constantinople" or something like that.

NB: I just work on ambiguous place names. May I continue my work? --Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 11:14, 12 September 2015 (EEST)

Help needed! What should we do with a place like this:

• wk:London Grove Township, Chester County, Pennsylvania ?

Place names (again :-)

Hello EK!

I'm stills studying disembiguation of english place names.

I've seen your very nice work about administrative situation of places in histrory.

Disembiguation will help you in this work: you will just have to write it once (in the place page). less work than writing it in each "Person:" page.

I still do have question about this work. Could you please read this post and give your opinion?

Thanks a lot! --Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 12:59, 22 October 2015 (EEST)

Cörle ?

Hi EK!

Thanks for your answer and your support.

There's now less than 33,000 wanted pages. We have corrected more than 6000 red links!

I have a question: you wrote "Cörle" as a place name, several times. (i.e. Nicolaus Pfeiffer (Pfeiffer, b. 1632 d. 1696)). I can't find any mention of such a place, exept Corle. Could you be more precise about this place ? --Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 10:59, 18 November 2015 (EET)

So Sorry Christophe! I'm working from primary sources, and they all date from before the K became standard in Germany, so the village is spelled Cörle. Sorry for the confusion EvansKnight 18 novembre 2015 à 22:15 (EET)

Don't be sorry! It's not important! But it's a good example. What do you decide:

• To write place name as you read it (Cörle), and then advanced search does not work, because there will be several "Place:" pages for only one physical place. We can then partially fix the problem, writing a "Place:" page named "Place:Cörle" redirecting to "Place:Körle". But it will need several search instead of one.
• To write as it is written in Wikipedia (Körle), plus "Cörle" in "detail field", then, advanced search is working.

About primary sources. Remember that 17th and 18th century priests were writing as they were listening. So, you can find different spelling for the same place, written by the same pen. i.e. : Écausseville = 1709 : Escalleville - 1726 : Ecausseville - Escosseville - 1735 : Ecausseville - etc.

My opinion : it's better, and much more simple to use nowadays spelling, and to note variants on the "Place:" page (see exemple of Écausseville, here is Google translation

--Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 10:03, 19 November 2015 (EET)

PS: Try to speak with other admins and users in Rodovid.EN to write toguether a strict Policy. (see : Rodovid_EN:Community_Portal#Answers)

Logan County, Virginia?

Hi!

How are you?

I guess you've made a little mistake writing this place name :

• Logan County, Virginia

Wikipedia only knows :

• Logan County, West Virginia

(Confusion between Virginia and West Virginia is very common in Rodovid.RD)

So we could write :

• Logan County (West Virginia)

Could you check this point?

Linked page to Logan County, Virginia, are here:

• Special:Whatlinkshere/Place:Logan_County

--Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 11:24, 14 December 2015 (EET)

• Logan County was founded in 1824, West Virginia only became a state in 1862, so it was a part of the state of Virginia in the interim. You are right, though, it is now in West Virginia. The change makes sense, though, since my method of recording places as they were known at the time of the event recorded is not standard. I need to remember to stop doing that.

EvansKnight 20:25, 21 December 2015 (EET)

• You are right too!
• Thanks a lot. You can add in "comment" field : then Logan County was in Virginia.
• Faster method, you can write a brief history of Logan County in Place:Logan County (West Virginia)

• I've added some infos on Dmitrievna Smolyaninova (Smolyaninov, b. about 1795) (you have created this record).
• Creating the "Lineage:" and "Place:" pages provides this hypothesis.
• Notice the use of Template:Ancestry hypothesis

Happy new year !!! --Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 16:28, 2 January 2016 (EET)

Hov, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway?

Hi Evans

I don't understand these place names:

1. Hov, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway
2. Strand, Sigdal, Buskerud, Norway

See: Helge Gulliksdatter (Hov, b. 1705 d. 1756)

And some others… Could you provide some sources?

Thank you. --Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 18:00, 7 February 2016 (EET)