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| I am good with Ætheling but am a pragmatist who recognizes that a more useful standard for the majority of the users in this space will be Atheling. Perhaps we can edit the Atheling Surname page to make note of the spelling! :) [[User:Almoustine|Almoustine]] 20:59, 13 March 2008 (EET) | I am good with Ætheling but am a pragmatist who recognizes that a more useful standard for the majority of the users in this space will be Atheling. Perhaps we can edit the Atheling Surname page to make note of the spelling! :) [[User:Almoustine|Almoustine]] 20:59, 13 March 2008 (EET) | ||
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| + | Regarding [[Person:58467]]: I'm wondering what your sources are for the statement that they are one and the same. I'd be interested in finding more about this; also, that statement's likely to be challenged. --[[engine:User:Wikiacc|Wikiacc]] ([[engine:User talk:Wikiacc|≈]]) 01:27, 17 July 2008 (EEST) | ||
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DNA TESTING REQUESTED
Hello friends and relatives. This is a request for collaboration on documenting the descendants of Thomas Mustain and Mary Avery. My request would be that anyone participating (Direct descent Males that is) would be willing to participate in a "Y" test for lineage identification and verification, and for ethnic markers. The reason for this is to identify which of the 4 Thomas Mustain's living at the same time in the Colonies of Virginia and Carolina the person is descended from.
This is important because although the records would indicate a relationship between the 4 men, it is not a direct father son relationship and identifying them as such has led to a quandary that has plagued genealogists for 200 years. Without this testing it is unlikely that the descendants of Thomas Mustain will be able to work out a clear picture of their ancestral origins.
The antecedents of the Thomas Mustain shown in my charts is based on the results of DNA tests that have been confidentially shared with me. To date the owners of these tests are not linked into this chart to protect the privacy of themselves and their families. But the lineage is based on the results of the tests. If you participate in the tests your information will remain confidential and you will be identified only by a number which will remain locked and unpublished until such time as yourself or your descendants post the information. The more who participate the clearer this chart will become. The results you share with me remain confidential with the index being stored at a secured facility Iron Mountain. No one will contact you or harass you based on participation in this study.
Please be aware that this is a color blind test. I am aware that there is a diverse mixture ethnic origins in this family. That is in my opinion that it is precisely because of that that this family is so unique and amazing. This is definitely not a test study for the faint of heart or the bigotted. I would ask that each of the participants in this study be open to the possibility of encountering a skeleton or two and great each with the dignity and respect which your common ancestors would demand.
My best regards to the families of Thomas Mustain
Almoustine 15:50, 4 January 2008 (EET)
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About including Gods in the Family Tree
Please Don't! I understand that legendary and mythical kings may appear in lineages... that is fine as long as we realize they were once ordinary or extraordinary men and women and there is some form of documentation to substantiate the claim. However there are many times when I find a God listed instead of the ancestor (or lineage) who properly belongs there. Athough a Gods name can give us clues where to look to find the ancestor we are searching for, putting in the ultimate creator in that spot caps off the lineage and makes us think we have reached our ultimate end point for that lineage. Such a practice is unfair to the actual living human being who should be represented in that spot. I will unlink Gods if I find them. Also...for fundamentalists among us that believe the world is only 6000 years old...get a clue! Some DFA lineages go back to 3000 and 4000 bc. Please don't put God in there if he doesnt belong (I don't care what you call him/her) or else bewilling to accept the notion that God wasn't actually a god but an ordinary being who may or may not be correctly identified and may end up being deleted. If we want to document Pantheons let's have Baya create a separate database to hold that data and not mix it in with our family trees. Almoustine 21:32, 19 May 2008 (EEST)
- You should move this discussion to the main page´s discussion or to the help page, because it's a very important topic to resolve in the Rodovid´s community. regards--R0MAN0 21:47, 19 May 2008 (EEST)
Wessex vs. Atheling
Hi, I see that you have reverted some of my changes to various Kings of Wessex. I think "Wessex" is more appropriate given that they are members of the House of Wessex, while "Atheling" is merely an Anglo-Saxon term for someone with royal blood, but was not used as an actual name until much later. Can we dialog about this before we get into an edit war? Thanks! Stephen Carlson 07:11, 13 March 2008 (EET)
Hello Steven, Sure, see my comments on your discussion page. Almoustine 17:18, 13 March 2008 (EET)
- (moved from my talk page to here so we can keep the discussion in one place) Hello Steven, Sure, Here is the deal. Wessex is a location. There are many intermarrying lineages within Wessex and Kent. To designate them all as Wessex masks some important interrelationships between tribes. BTW... the name Atheling does mean noble but also is the proper clan designation for the decendents of Athelwulf who happened to be the clan chief from whom the kings of Wessex derive their identity. Athel means nobleone not necessarily "royalty". These kings and their children were actually identified by the surname appellate "The Atheling" in records other than English (I.e. France, Spain, and Italy). If we continue to call them Wessex then we will end up with all kinds of trouble when the lineages start to mix and when the children start to inherit from their mothers. There is a reason for Clan name... and it is not to describe locale but rather line of descent. Wessex may be a proper term to use for these kings in terms of history papers... but when it comes to genealogy it really needs to be a relevant clan name, in which case Atheling as the descendents of Athelwulf. Almoustine 17:18, 13 March 2008 (EET)
- OK, I agree that Wessex is a location, and that Aetheling was used as a clan designation post-Aethelwulf (post-Egbert, really), so we agree on that point. I am mostly concerned about consistency, so I don't much care whether we go with Wessex or Aetheling, but it seems to me that we should have a consistent clan name for all the members of the House of Wessex, from Cerdic onwards, and Aetheling doesn't apply to anyone before Aethelwulf. Or is the point that you are making is that there are other descendants from the house of Wessex ruling other kingdoms, and to call them all Wessex masks the special line of descent from Aethelwulf that is ancestor to the later kings of England? If that's the case, I'm cool with changing them all to Atheling. Can we use "Ætheling" though, just to be more respectful of the Old English spelling? Stephen Carlson 20:42, 13 March 2008 (EET)
Hi Steven, you are correct in your assertion that the term Ætheling would not apply to anyone before Aethelwulf. However they were a patrilineage so any of his children (legitimate or awknowledged) would be Athelings. The Athelings passed from power but still hung around to blend with the Normans, Welsh ans Scots, so yes. Naming them Wessex masks the extent to which this family intermarried and passed down through the generations. I have been doing a great deal of investigation on the use of tribal designations among the various races in England just prior to the advent of the Athelings. I believe if we use those it would give a clearer picture of the genealogical relationships between the tribes that could help us push past some traditional barriers in researching further back.
Naming in England has always been problematic. This issue with the Atheling kings of Wessex and Kent, becomes problematic again after the Norman Invasion where the surname of the English Kings would "Knytling" (Descent from Canute) To "Norman" (descent from Rollo) until the advent of the Plantagenets through intermarriage with the Normans, Athough it stays relatively stable as Plantagenent until the ascent of the Welsh Tudors.
However with regard to Wessex/Atheling the Scots at the time of the Athelings were undergoing a radical change in social structure with the crossover inheritance patterns in the families descended from both the Norse/Irish (Patrilineages) and the Dalriada/Pictic (Matrilineages) so St. Margaret the Atheling is going to be a problem any suggestion?
I am good with Ætheling but am a pragmatist who recognizes that a more useful standard for the majority of the users in this space will be Atheling. Perhaps we can edit the Atheling Surname page to make note of the spelling! :) Almoustine 20:59, 13 March 2008 (EET)
Odin / Aulus Didius Gallus
Regarding Aulus Didius (Audin) Gallus (Aula, ?): I'm wondering what your sources are for the statement that they are one and the same. I'd be interested in finding more about this; also, that statement's likely to be challenged. --Wikiacc (≈) 01:27, 17 July 2008 (EEST)
