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Contents 1 Challenges in Record Dating 2 James Avery 3 Sir Richard de Hoghton 4 Archambaud de Comborn 5 Sorting out the various Constantines 6 Borjigin line 7 hello, cousin 8 page deletions 9 Ana Enriques (of Madeira) 10 Your Sources - Ana Enriques (of Madiera) 11 eastin D'Estaing Family Connection 12 Segrave and De Segrave 13 Anthony Ashley-Cooper 14 Parents 15 Controversial blocking

Challenges in Record Dating

There are several different date sets available for some kings. This difference is due to the use of different methods for calculating a year in the ancient world. Just as there is an Islamic Calendar that is in active use today alongside Julian and Gregorian calendars. The ancient poeples of the Old and New worlds had there varying methods of calculating a year. The book of Enoch shows that the ancient Thinite and Aryan peoples calculated their years as 6 months with alternate years of light and dark. This is harmonious with the Parthian Greeks who according to the Elusian mysteries calculated a year as a half year of dark followed by a half year of light. Thus while a king may be said to be 250 years old by Aryan tradition, according to the Greeks he would have been 125.

I will post more about ancient calendar systems here as I can.

James Avery

I was following back my Avery relatives, and when I got to my 9x-great-grandfather James, I saw that, with your contribution, he was already in the system, to my suprise. If you are Living Magee (Magee, ?), then I guess that makes us 10th cousins! And just to let you know, I was able to go a couple generations further to his grandfather, Christopher Avery (Avere) (Avery, b. 1550 d. 1613). crabGoblin 22:05, 14 April 2010 (EEST)

That is amazing and totally awesome! and yes... so hello cousin! I welcome you to continue contributing. It will be fun to discover our mutual roots together! Almoustine 00:49, 15 April 2010 (EEST)

Sir Richard de Hoghton

This is incredible! It seems like we are also 23rd cousins, through Sir Richard de Hoghton, MP (Hoghton, d. 1340)! So that makes us related from two different directions or something, since the Averys were on my mother's side (Avery->Davenport->Miller->Harris), while the Hoghton's were on my father's side (Hoghton->Southworth->Southard). This is quite interesting. crabGoblin 06:24, 18 April 2010 (EEST)

Oh just you wait. There are about 13 lines all within 16 generations that haven't been input yet. At some point, you will end up feeling like your own grandparent. :) I noticed that your lines include Jansoon the Pirate. That is awesome. If you do some searching through the Rodovid database you will find some incredible records of privateers from that era and the links to current families. I have been trying to post articles to the Secret History X blog with links to persons in the Rodovid Database. This is my way of advertising the existence of the Rodovid Database. I would like to include some articles about Jansoon and some of the connections you find. Contact me via secrethistoryx.com if you are interested in contributing. Almoustine 16:54, 18 April 2010 (EEST)

I haven't done any actual research at this point (I don't really have time to, given my other responsibilities), so all the connections I have found so far are mainly entries from the Rootsweb resources, and any other writings that I have found online about my ancestors. I just found this 1905 book on some of the Southworth/Southard family in the public domain on Google Books, though it doesn't seem to cover my branch of Southards, from the Thomas that came to New Netherland and married the granddaughter of the aforementioned Barbary pirate. From what I've read, Anthony Jansen had three other daughters, and it is not known where Janszoon's other children ended up (at least one left behind in Haarlem, and probably others in Spain or Morocco). My understanding of Jan and Anthony come from here, here, here, here, and here. crabGoblin 23:06, 18 April 2010 (EEST)

Archambaud de Comborn

Dear Almoistine, firstly tanks for the fact you wroth in french. I've modify this father record (betweenHugh (?, b. about 930 d. about 1010) & Hugh of Rouergue (Rouergue, ?)) of Archambaud.

On the Archambaud record, you say he can come from the Limoges line. I've sow althow this information on another website but I didn't found any document about that have you got that ? Regards --CharlesF 23:23, 12 December 2010 (EET)

see wiki fr what do you think about that (I think it is a misstack), Regards--CharlesF 23:25, 12 December 2010 (EET)

Sorry, I've got it, I found ;-) sorry --CharlesF 23:28, 12 December 2010 (EET)

--Trig 19:52, 3 January 2011 (EET)Trevor Lee

Sorting out the various Constantines

Julian Constans Caesar ap Constantine III (brother of Constans II [the monk] and Justus) was married to Martina v. Marcus + Ancia

Interesting given the dynastic web of the times and the overall confusion of the various Constantine Emperors (Many who ruled simultaneously). It seems plausable.. I know that the family of Aurelius fits in there somewhere. What are your sources? Almoustine 18:26, 22 August 2010 (EEST)

The British Chronicles, by David Hughes is a good place to start. Duplication occure I believe when names are taken from there roots and transplanted into other languages and dialects ie Cunedda, Constantine as a obvious one. Coel, or is it Choel, is it Hoel or could it be Aramond or Faramond, that is the Quest. Coel Godebog is not the splended or anything else that has it's roots in greatness, but people keep incorrectly associating him having 2 issues including Elena, this is a duplication I believe with more issues to it.

Gwen = Eleias/Elistus/Elydyr/Cadwalidyr/Arthur Vivi-Anna = Taliesin/Anlawdd/Buddic (Lewdoc) Emyr Lydaw.

While I do use this book and recommend it for research and reference for certain lineages; I have found that, like others out there, some of the lineages contain some errors and persons have been conflated and or assigned to an erroneous time period. In short not everything in there is correct. I recommend using the volume along with additional records (preferably historical which unfortunately are still in Latin, Greek or other). There is nothing quite like being able to corraborate a lineage with historical, archaeological, and genetic records. Almoustine 19:37, 24 February 2011 (EET)

Borjigin line

Hello Almoustine, I see you described several female persons out of Borjigin lineage as

Barkhujin Qo'ai (Goa) (of China) (meanwhile Bargujin is a place name in Siberia)

Mong Ulun (of China)

Mong Goljin (of China)

Is there any particular source for the "of China" part and the breaking of first syllables from names? Charles Bawden's 1955 edition of Mongolian chronicle Altan Tobchi does not carry any resemblance to this curious spelling as far as I can remember, neither do any other sources I had read. --Tar-ba-gan 02:57, 16 April 2011 (EEST)

1. THE TRANSFORMATION OF AN ORIGIN MYTH FROM SHAMANISM TO ISLAM*
2. The history and the life of Chinggis Khan: the secret history of the Mongols By Urgunge Onon
3. Kinship in the Altaic world:proceedings of the 48th Permanent International Altaistic Conference, Moscow 10-15 July, 2005. Elena Vladimirovna Boĭkova, R. B. Rybakov
4. The role of women in the Altaic world: Permanent International Altaistic Conference edited by Veronika Veit

I thank you for helping me making my tree. I saw that you added different persons and comments.

I should like to know the rule about definite article like the English "The".

Concerning Jean Guillaume de Prince 591286 you mention his clan as Prince. Concerning his daughter Catherine Margaret de Prince 590947, I mention her clan name as "de Prince".

Do we have to take away the definite article in the clan name like we take a preposition away?

Of Bourbon, de Bourbon, van Bourbon => Bourbon The Taylor, le Tailleur, de Kleermaker => Taylor or The Taylor?

Thank you for your advice,

Michel Nowé

Hi Michel, We are eliminating the article in order to make it easier to find in the search charts. (Take away de, van, von, of, the). If I am unsure of the clan or family designation I put in in the "Other Surnames" box and leave the clan blank until the surname ascendant is known. Also in the English version of the Rodovid database our clan names aren't always tied to location. In fact it is frequently tied to the symbol that a person's family uses to identify themselves on their clan sheilds and flags, or to identify descent from a particular ancestor.

hello, cousin

I see you added Elinipsico Cornstalk's mother to the tree -- thank you! Minerva Nine 01:53, 4 July 2011 (EEST)

page deletions

Hi Almoustine -- I apologize for the deletion of records yesterday, I didn't realize that Rodovid would let me delete pages that other people were using. I was trying to delete all the pages connected with this account (LVehko) because I have a cyber-stalker who has been obtaining personal and family information about me from stuff I have posted online. Because of this, I don't want to say more here, on this publicly-accessible page. Would you email me at lvehko@gmail.com so that I can ask you about merging this account with one under another name? Thanks -- LVehko 22:23, 13 October 2011 (EEST)

On the english Wikipedia site, users can request a username change for their accounts. Is this possible here? If so, please let me know where to send the request. Thanks -- LVehko 09:42, 14 October 2011 (EEST)

If your stalker knows which entries you can submitted under your old ID and monitors those for changes in ID assignment to a new ID your change will have been ineffective. It is probably better if you create a new account altogether and then work with me to help identify various records. Plus... do not use the "This is Me Checkbox" to identify yourself in the system and refrain from posting given names and dates for persons that are living, you can also decide whether or not you wish to post information for family members born after 1900 who are deceased. The issue is you can't always control what/how much other (cousins) might want to post for their lineages. I try to stay within the guidelines of the Ukrainian legislation for Individual privacy which is no posting of living persons. However rule is regularly broken for Celebrities and Royalty whose genealogy is a matter of public record anyway.Almoustine 19:14, 14 October 2011 (EEST)

Ana Enriques (of Madeira)

I am very interested in this entry by you showing this lady Ana Enriques (of Madiera) http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Ana Enriques (Avis) (Aviz, ?) to be daughter of Prince Henry the Navigator. http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Henry Aviz (Henry the Navigator) (Aviz, b. 4 March 1394 d. 13 November 1460) - Can you please identify your sources for this entry? Also note that the island is called Madeira no Madiera. Thank you very much.--Colon-el-Nuevo 19:04, 22 December 2011 (EET)

Your Sources - Ana Enriques (of Madiera)

I am very interested the entries you made here: [1] for Ana Enriques (of Madiera) - please let me know where I can read more about this. Thank You. --Colon-el-Nuevo 22:31, 24 December 2011 (EET)

Dear Almoustine, can you please provide me with a book and page number where I can read more about the entry Ana Enriques http://pt.rodovid.org/wk/Pessoa:418656 - as wells the other entries you have made in this family. thanks.Colon-el-Nuevo 17:01, 8 January 2012 (EET)

Almoustine - Can you please provide me with a copy of the information you used to create Person:108796, John D'Estaing,Person:108895, Thomas Eastin, and Person:108792 Jean D'Estaing. This is a grandfather, Father and son. I am a direct decendent of this family, and have been looking for a family connection for years.

Thank You

John Eastin

eastin D'Estaing Family Connection

Almoustine - Can you please provide me with a copy of the information you used to create Person:108796, John D'Estaing,Person:108895, Thomas Eastin, and Person:108792 Jean D'Estaing. This is a grandfather, Father and son. I am a direct decendent of this family, and have been looking for a family connection for years.

Thank You

John Eastin

Segrave and De Segrave

Dear Madam, I have been working on my family pedigree for almost twenty years. The true name at birth of the earliest member (historically acountable) is HUGH DE SEGRAVE. not Hugh Segrave. It was only in the thirteenth century that the family dropped the "de" and used only Segrave. Whoever opened the clan of "Segrave" in 2010 at Rodovid was inaccurate. I will continue to add to the de Segrave clan, unless you demand that I use the false clan of "Segrave". Please let me know your decision. I have a doctorate in Greek and Latin from Columbia University, a Master's degree in Jursiprudence from Oxford University, and a Dr. Theol. granted by the faculty of the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. Yours respectfully, Rev. DDr Richard Seagraves (New York)

Dear Madam, I have noticed that whoever introduced the clan "Segrave" in the year 2010 was in error. I have been working on the family pedigree for about twenty years. I have a Master's degree in Jurisprudence from Oxford, a Doctorate in Greek and Latin from Columbia University, and a Dr. Theol. granted by the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. The "de" was disused by the family in the thirteenth century. I wish to continue to use the correct clan of "de Segrave" instead of the false "Segrave" unless you order me not to do so. Please adive me!

Respectfully, Rev. DDr. Richard Seagrave (New YOrk)--Gaufredus 01:59, 26 June 2012 (EEST)1900 hours on 25 June 2012

Hello Richard,

Due to the way that Rodovid preserves the clan names searching for ancestors becomes problematic when adding the De, Van, Le and other prefixes to the name. The global administrators decided therefore that the clan names would not include these prefixes.

Anthony Ashley-Cooper

You seem to have entered this record twice: numbers 632476 and 632486. I would merge them myself, but not too sure how to do it.--Ruszewski 04:29, 28 August 2012 (EEST)

Parents

Please respect the Rodovid rules:
4.3. Controversy or uncertainty about a family link
4.3.1. If parents are controversial do not add any parents "as parents". Just add all controversial info in notes.
4.3.7. The only exception of the rules 4.3 can be mythological persons, which do not have any relationship with historical persons and should be explicitly included in the categories "Mythology" or "XXXXX mythology"
Please unlock pages you've lock ! such as Licinia ? (Angrabothia) (Licchavi, ?), Bello de Carcassonne - (Count of Carcassonne) (Bellonid, b. about 770 d. about 812), Meribanes (Mirian) (Mihran) III Chosroidi (Chosroid, b. about 277 d. 361) --CharlesF 10:31, 7 July 2015 (EEST)

Controversial blocking

As advised by Baya on the new page Make-believe people, you should unblock CharlesF a.s.a.p. Dn Gov (d) 04:00, 12 July 2015 (EEST)

I would be happy to unblock him .. .Where shall I do that? I cannot seem to find the page to unblock.. Almoustine 05:02, 12 July 2015 (EEST)

Privit Almoustine

1. You can unblock CharlesF here :
   • en:Special:Ipblocklist
2. Could you please help me to find exact translation of "make believe people" in french?

Well... I don't put "make believe people" in the database. I do however include people that some consider legendary... if I find some sort of record the indicates that they might have been real (based on historical references) ...I would like to suggest that we maintain separate lineages for Biblical lineage, Islamic Tradition, DFA. I have some ideas that perhaps there is a link that will allow the user to filter on a lineage and see the lineage as it is presented through the filter of their choice (The user looks at a record that says it has more than one lineage available, biblical, historical, adoptive and selects which one they want to see. The lineage will then be filtered according to that criteria) Almoustine 16:37, 12 July 2015 (EEST)

Anyway, there is a big desease in Rodovid.EN. In last counting of Rodovid (january 2014), we discovered that Rodovid.FR has much more records than Rodovid.EN. This is a complete anomaly (regarding to numbers of french speaking or english speaking peoples around the world). Obviously, you're killing Rodovid.EN, and then all localizations of Rodovid. You do have to find a way to work with other people. Let's talk about that, and when we'll find a gentlewoman and gentlemen agreement, I can assure you that I will help you with all my knowledge.

--Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 09:35, 12 July 2015 (EEST)

It didn't start out that way. In the beginning I was pulling in records from other language DBs and translating them. Then some persons in other language DBs got angry and started to disconnect the English records from the lineages and then delete the isolated English DB records. Almoustine 16:37, 12 July 2015 (EEST)