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According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Munso

Person:154646 was a brother of Person:107355, with nl:Biorn Eriksson (Munso) (Munso, b. estimated 870 d. 932) being their father

EricO 24/08

Eric, I am aware that the house of Munso as documented in the Wikipedia is taken directly from the Hervor Saga. One must be careful when documenting directly from the text when building the genealogy tables using the Scandinavian sagas. The Scandinavians have a wonderful way of calling anyone within a clan a brother or a son even though they may be cousins or nephews.. even grandsons and great grandsons and sometimes skipping entire generations. My dates and chart as documented in Rodovid is based in part on Hervor Saga but also the Orkneyinga Saga as well as Anglo Saxon records and Archaelogical records using carbon dating and grave artifacts for identification and whenever available the text rubbings from historical markers and runestones.

In the Hervor Saga, there is a generation missing between Bjorn and his sons. I believe this is because the power in Upsala passed from Grandfather to Grandson and since it was narration of the Kings of Upsala Emund was passed over. Furthemore the link to Bjorn Jarnsida may be incorrect. There are at least 3 Bjorns in Scandinavian history who have been given the nickname Ironside.

Almoustine 19:11, 24 August 2008 (EEST)

Well, I'm convinced we can't get better than this. Thanks!

EricO 24/8

Thanks for helping with the second set of eyes! it helps :) BTW... with regard to Uma Vendel (of Roselag) (Munso, d. estimated 890) I believe I have some additional infomration gleaned while researching the Roman Foederati. Continental records show a lineage related to the Geats and Rosomani that may shed some historical light on the origins and identity of the family of Rurik of Novgorod. Watch for changes coming to that lineage. Almoustine 23:36, 24 August 2008 (EEST)

Indeed, I had some remarks and questions in store concerning Rurik and his relations. I'll just bottle them up and wait for your input!

EricO 27/8

Eric, go ahead and ask the questions. They might help me to collect my thoughts and know which questions to address Almoustine 15:29, 30 August 2008 (EEST)

Eric, You might want to consider using some of the surnames given on the descendants of the Norwegians and Swedes. The lineage "from Sweden/Norway" are very vague and promotes the idea to novice genealogists that there was a unified Norway or Unified Sweden when in fact what you had in the area at the time was a collection of tribal chieftains and a loose confederation of allied territories sometime centered in Skania, sometimes in Upsala (for the Swedes) and Danes duking it out between Hedeby and Schlesvig and Saxony and the Norwegians were simply out of control with loose confederation of at least 10 main petty kingdoms on the mainland as well as the Scots territories not to mention what they managed to conquer in France.

I know that the vikings did not use surnames per se, but they did have a very strong Clan and Lineage system which most continental people are unfamiliar with. I have tried to identify the clan projenitor or lineage affiliation whenever possible. I have used the Scandinavian term without the special characters with diacritical marks and umlauts. Just as when I am documenting old English lineages (I leave out the difficult special character diphthongs) to make it easier for most people to search the records. Almoustine 15:47, 30 August 2008 (EEST)

Well, I'm convinced (too) we can't get better than this. As usual, Pamela (almoustine) thinks she's the only on one in the world to be true.--Christophe Tesson - ^talk. 15:01, 12 February 2016 (EET)